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Re: Number of turns?

Postby Fritzlein » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:33 pm

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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

Postby Terr » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:35 am

Well, first off, 100 random games will include lots of games where one or both bots are too dumb to reach a stalemate condition. Secondly, even if it ("what ought to be a stalemate") only occurs in 5% of games, that seems to be a significant amount when it comes to determining winners and losers.
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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

Postby McLeopold » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:15 am

Fritzlein: your analysis of the games I provided links to is incorrect because it assumes bots become perfect after turn 200. It also assumes ships and growth rate is the only thing that is important to winning, which it is not. Positioning plays a big role. There is probably a margin at which even the sample bots could not be overcome, but it was not seen in these games.

Bots do not suddenly make perfect decisions after 200 moves. They still have strengths and weaknesses and should be played against each other fully to determine which was truly the better bot. I've seen a few games on the tcp server that have turned around and given a different bot a victory after turn 200.

These games are rare because we don't have enough high quality bots playing each other enough times yet. We shouldn't discount this possibility just because half the bots are starter pack submissions.

Perhaps the number of neutrals left should be taken into account to determine game progress?
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Re: Number of turns?

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Re: Number of turns?

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