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The ranking (or contest) sucks

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The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby JofferLamesch » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:05 pm

1) Higher ranked bots won't play against higher ranked bots
2) Bots that loose more games can be ranked higher than bots that don't loose any games and have more draws.
3) Every bot should be evaluated on all maps against the competing bot, to eliminate the draw maps, and whoever has the most wins over all the maps, should win.
4) Not fixing the java implementation and making it thus unusable

I would have spent more time into my bot, but I don't see any reason doing it. At the end, the final results are pure luck based on which map/opponent get's assigned against to you.
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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby analyst74 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:42 pm

1) You know all this ranking is preliminary right? and final tournament ranking will be determined after playing as much opponent as needed (possibly all), go read the final tournament rules and etc.
2) Again, it is unlikely in the final ranking, as bots will play against many opponent, and bots with weak points will lose against most (if not all) all-around bots on their weak maps, thus lowering their ranking.
3) This I partially agree, in the final tournament, there should be no collision-draw maps, the maps should be made that bot cannot crash into one another. So draw will only be achieved by both side not making mistakes.
4) That's a pitty, but I believe it's beyond organizers' power to *fix* java.
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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby kduleba » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:03 pm

1) analyst74 - we don't know that. There's been no commitment from the organizers to implement sane game scheduling. In particular, to quote the final tournament rules, "after the submission deadline passes, the leaderboard will continue to update as usual. ". The "as usual" part is quite worrying :-(
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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby Delimiter » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:29 pm

Don't worry be happy!!!

At first:
Of course ,rate system should be as soon as possible close to sport rate system!

win +3 pount
draw +1 point
lose +0 point

At second:
Situation with maps should be more clear for all !

But in any case , just feel satisfaction! This is the best PRIZE :P
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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby amstan » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:30 pm

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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby Janzert » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:10 pm

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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

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Re: The ranking (or contest) sucks

Postby analyst74 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:36 am

I have read most if not all the complaints about the contest and its rules, and I agree to most of them.

But holding a popular contest is not easy and cannot be done perfectly the first time, heck, look at Olympics, it's been out a lot longer than this challenge, and yet numerous complaints raise every four years.

Bottom line is, you cannot just do finger pointing and expect rules to bend to your wish(even if it's majority), rules are rules.
What should be done is to take note of the problems and make better rules next time.
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