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Attack is the best defense

Postby Astek » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:33 am

What your bot will do if he has 500 ships more than opponent and produce 12 ships more each turn?

To go full out or not to got: this is the question

Think twice if he will go finish him and check this replay first:
http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8060426

Have fun
Astek

By the way:
How do you manage maps with centre planet growth rate 5 almost without a defence?
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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby lavalamp » Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:25 pm

Correct way to handle that is to stream ships at his planets to slowly drain his defenses away. IOW if you're ahead, trade ships.

That or you could fix your defense code. :mrgreen:
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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby bhasker » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:45 pm

The mistake here is launching that big fleet. It commits a large force to taking one planet where as the enemy can take multiple
once your big fleet is underway. The correct thing to do is to either stream ships or not do anything. Technically he couldn't launch
that big fleet without weakening his defense.


The problem is people assume that the other bot will not launch its ships if i have this big fleet attacking. Which is wrong, the other bot will just
attack everything once your big fleet is underway.
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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby iouri_ » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:56 am

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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby Corvidae » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:30 pm

Actually instead of streaming ships, only one planet should have attacked all out. It would have left that one planet as bait since _Astek_ wouldn't have enough ships to take it with the other two able to reinforce it. Worst case scenario, both sides have the same number fewer ships, but rsergio would still have higher production. Best case would be taking a feeder planet, probably briefly, but still enough to disrupt the supply chain and possibly leave _Astek_ open for further attack.
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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby RebelXT » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:43 pm

Streaming ships is the usual approach top human players take in Galcon when they are ahead. So you send as many ships as you possibly can without exposing yourself to a risk of all-out attack by enemy which could result in side swap.
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Re: Attack is the best defense

Postby Corvidae » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:05 pm

It's the usual approach because a human reaches that stage incrementally rather than a bot realizing it's gotten stuck in a defensive loop.

http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8877062

It is a risk, however I have yet to have it cost me a game. Of course I can't really say it's what has won me a game yet either.
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